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ellenkushner) wrote2008-08-02 03:28 pm
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howbout medieval uni's?
Thank you for the wise rug advice. And now for something completely different - Nicholas Laccetti sent me this query on FaceBook (which is, to my mind, I'm sorry, a completely useless appendage when it comes to joint interaction and we should all just switch to LJ unless we care passionately about acquiring pixellated beers):
Lately I have been looking around for books set in or about medieval universities (fiction or nonfiction). Since you co-wrote the wonderful Fall of the Kings, I figured you might have some recommendations.
Flattery will get you everywhere - including access to my Brain Trust.
Well, friends?
Me, in non-fiction I would recommend anything about Peter Abelard - it was "his" Paris university that we had in the back of our brains when we started working on Kings. We also read Will & Ariel Durant . . . I'll have to ask
deliasherman what else, when she gets up from her post-novel-nap.
Lately I have been looking around for books set in or about medieval universities (fiction or nonfiction). Since you co-wrote the wonderful Fall of the Kings, I figured you might have some recommendations.
Flattery will get you everywhere - including access to my Brain Trust.
Well, friends?
Me, in non-fiction I would recommend anything about Peter Abelard - it was "his" Paris university that we had in the back of our brains when we started working on Kings. We also read Will & Ariel Durant . . . I'll have to ask
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ETA: It's in The Wind's Twelve Quarters.
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Patrick Rothfuss, The Name of the Wind
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http://www.sharannewman.com/history/
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And likewise, I thought of a potential source for you: there are some scenes toward the front of Shield of Three Lions by Pamela Kaufmann that are set at the Paris University, although, um, don't fall in love with this trilogy. It will break your heart later, and not in the good way.
Likewise, I've been reading Life in the Medieval University by Robert Rait, available from Project Gutenberg.
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I do second the recommendation to read about Abelard. Specifically, read the actual, preserved letters of Abelard and Heloise. Nothing says, "Aren't you sorry you educated me now?" better than a woman out-arguing the teacher who taught her rhetoric, when said teacher is also the woman's angst-ridden and now castrated former lover. Abelard just can't win.
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Do people know Sharan Newman's French medieval mysteries? I haven't read many, but they sound promising - especially HERESY, in which the heroine's best pal is A&H's son Astrolabe (I'm *not* making this *up*, you know!)....
http://www.sharannewman.com/levendeur/heresy.html
http://www.sharannewman.com/levendeur/index.html
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Not medieval, though. 18c.
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Have you read Sharan Newman?
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And I haven't read Newman, but based on the comments on this post, I shall look for her books!
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I can sympathize with the post-novel nap--got home (by circuitous, college-filled route) last night, and crashed this afternoon for an hour and a half. Now I get to go through the backlog of LJ, email...
Can't think of any medieval universities right now, though. The closest I can think of is A College of Magics, but that has trains.
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ETA: Also things here, from the Fordham Internet Medieval Sourcebook:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook1r.html
(scroll down to 13th-14th Century Scholasticism * Educational Institutions)
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The nice thing about unis is you get them custom-made, for not huge amounts of money. Wish I could do that with my day clothes.
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For a slightly more recent (1969) study, see Astrik L. Gabriel Garlandia: Studies in the History of Mediaeval Universities. She's mostly looking at the institution and cultures of universities in the later middle ages.
For the current take, see Life in the Medieval University
Robert S. Rait. It's very much written for the non-specialist.
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For folk interested in the middle ages, as specialists or not, there's a Ning community a bunch of us medievalists have set up for out reach and recruit . . . umm community creation, here (http://medievalists.ning.com/).
We welcome new members of all sorts.
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Medival Universities
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For the straight medieval stuff...
Thomas Aquinas wrote on just about everything.
Roger Bacon was one of the first 'experimental scientists'. He snuck around the medieval reliance on authority as proof by not mentioning authorities, when possible.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/bacon1.html http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/bacon2.html
Guy de Chaliac was a doctor who wished to perform dissections, if you can find anything by him.
Re: For the straight medieval stuff...
That's a goodly list of internet scholastic sources, some of which are available.
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Well, I tried.
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(Anonymous) 2008-08-05 12:40 am (UTC)(link)The "hero of the Margaret of Ashbury Trilogy by Judith Merkle Riley is a defrocked Paris Unibersity student.
Even more focused on Paris University is The Lords of Vaumartin by celia Holland . The protagonist is a student and then a professor.
You can find all of these and more at www.medieval-novels.com .
Nan Hawthorne hathorn@drizzle.com
medeival-novels.com
Author of "An Involuntary King: A Tale of Anglo Saxon England" www.shield-wall.com
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